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Tell your friends about us!Wooden drainage (CV 15mm/4.5)
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AlbertTRAL
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Phenomenal atmosphere and processing! Congrats! 
streetshooter
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That is absolutely great looking. From start to finish this is a perfectly thought out image.
Congrats!
Congrats!
Thank you both. I really hadn't excepted that much enthusiasm
streetshooter: why I still disagree on the garden image needing to be black and white, I must say that this nudge of yours made me look twice at some images. This one above just does *not* work in color. (It was actually already deleted. I pulled it out of a backup.)
Also, it seems the GXR-M has transformed my style of shooting. Previously when I shot with DSLR's, lenses couldn't be long enough. I rarely shot anything below effectively 200mm. Now I am doubting: "Shouldn't I have bought the 12mm, instead of the 15mm... or even just add it as well at some point?" At this point, I already find my 75 (eq. 112mm) very long for most shots except portraits...
streetshooter: why I still disagree on the garden image needing to be black and white, I must say that this nudge of yours made me look twice at some images. This one above just does *not* work in color. (It was actually already deleted. I pulled it out of a backup.)
Also, it seems the GXR-M has transformed my style of shooting. Previously when I shot with DSLR's, lenses couldn't be long enough. I rarely shot anything below effectively 200mm. Now I am doubting: "Shouldn't I have bought the 12mm, instead of the 15mm... or even just add it as well at some point?" At this point, I already find my 75 (eq. 112mm) very long for most shots except portraits...
streetshooter
New Member
Kat, the conversion decision is easy for me.
I do B&W always. Occasionally an image will say, "excuse me, may I show you my true colors?" sometimes I listen and sometimes, well....
One must pay attention to each image to find its true meaning and value.
The lens thing is scary. I locked my M module away because I went nuts using my Leica glass and forgot about what I do.
So for me the A12 28 and GRD4 are all I really need. I have the a12 50 and S10 but they just keep each other company on the shelf. The S10 is getting cranky so maybe a walk is due.
Your DSLR reach of 200mm is mind boggling to me.
You seem to have a good choice of glass to work with but I wonder.....
What is your natural FOV?
I do B&W always. Occasionally an image will say, "excuse me, may I show you my true colors?" sometimes I listen and sometimes, well....
One must pay attention to each image to find its true meaning and value.
The lens thing is scary. I locked my M module away because I went nuts using my Leica glass and forgot about what I do.
So for me the A12 28 and GRD4 are all I really need. I have the a12 50 and S10 but they just keep each other company on the shelf. The S10 is getting cranky so maybe a walk is due.
Your DSLR reach of 200mm is mind boggling to me.
You seem to have a good choice of glass to work with but I wonder.....
What is your natural FOV?
I've got no DSLR any more, but at the time I did, my most used lens was my 70-200mm f/4L IS. But, I also had a 300mm f/4L and 1.4x extender, and if there was only the smallest excuse to use that combination, I would (670mm, har, har). Or I'd put the extender on the 70-200mm. Sometimes I'd use the 17-40 f/4L, while the 24-105 f/4L IS (which was my first Canon lens after owning a Sigma 18-135) stayed in the closet most of the time. Over time, I started shooting using primes because of the weight of the zooms.
With my natural FOV: do you mean the focal lenght I use most often? On the GXR, I seem to default to the 50mm (using the 35mm/2), and my most used lens at this moment is the Voigtländer 15mm (23mm), because I'm shooting those landscapes in Mondo Verde. I might do a run of the park using only the 21mm to get to know that lens better too. The 21mm is my least used lens at this time.
I'm often in doubt between the 50 and 35mm viewpoint, but I seem to always gravitate the 50mm because my 35mm/2 is a lot smaller, lighter, and a stop faster than my 21mm/2.8. I think that, on a full frame camera, my 35mm/2 and 50mm/2 would see about equal use.
With my natural FOV: do you mean the focal lenght I use most often? On the GXR, I seem to default to the 50mm (using the 35mm/2), and my most used lens at this moment is the Voigtländer 15mm (23mm), because I'm shooting those landscapes in Mondo Verde. I might do a run of the park using only the 21mm to get to know that lens better too. The 21mm is my least used lens at this time.
I'm often in doubt between the 50 and 35mm viewpoint, but I seem to always gravitate the 50mm because my 35mm/2 is a lot smaller, lighter, and a stop faster than my 21mm/2.8. I think that, on a full frame camera, my 35mm/2 and 50mm/2 would see about equal use.
streetshooter
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I had the 5D2 also and used the 24-105....
Such as it is, now was. I don't miss it just POTN so I go there to check on things sometimes.
Your natural field of view is what you see naturally in a frame. Then when the camera is used, the lens is seeing almost the same exact scene. Now of course that really means, if you are out shooting, you obviously are seeing with both eyes, ( if you are gifted with both)...and the brain sees your natural FOV, that's where the details of attention are. For me it's 35mm. I can look at a scene, ready the camera and it's very close to the right crop with my Summicron on my M's.
Enter the GRD and GXR. I was told ya can't teach an old dog new tricks.
Bunk! This old dog is now working with an acquired 28mm FOV.
It doesn't feel natural but it is working. I can feel my frame lines of 28 but I have to move sometimes and of course this is totally unacceptable.
Anyway, I hope you got this and it makes sense.
I learned this from Harry Callahan with my 8x10 Deardorff. My natural lens there was a 250mm or 35mm equivalent.
Don
Such as it is, now was. I don't miss it just POTN so I go there to check on things sometimes.
Your natural field of view is what you see naturally in a frame. Then when the camera is used, the lens is seeing almost the same exact scene. Now of course that really means, if you are out shooting, you obviously are seeing with both eyes, ( if you are gifted with both)...and the brain sees your natural FOV, that's where the details of attention are. For me it's 35mm. I can look at a scene, ready the camera and it's very close to the right crop with my Summicron on my M's.
Enter the GRD and GXR. I was told ya can't teach an old dog new tricks.
Bunk! This old dog is now working with an acquired 28mm FOV.
It doesn't feel natural but it is working. I can feel my frame lines of 28 but I have to move sometimes and of course this is totally unacceptable.
Anyway, I hope you got this and it makes sense.
I learned this from Harry Callahan with my 8x10 Deardorff. My natural lens there was a 250mm or 35mm equivalent.
Don
I'm visually impaired, and describing my way of seeing the world is very difficult
Going by your description, I don't really have a "natural FOV". My left eye is almost blind (7% sight only), so my right eye compensates for everything my left doesn't or can't do. According to doctors, I've got an extreme field of vision in my right eye, much wider than normal, and see "left and right" alternately to be able to see depth, using one eye to see both images normally seen by each eye seperately. I don't know how this works; my brain arranges for this compensation, it's been like this since birth
Depending on how I use my right eye (looking straight forward, looking out of the left or right corner, squinting, closing my left eye, which causes my right to move to the left to compensate), my FOV changes from extremely wide to very narrow. I can even block out all compensations my brain created during my life, which creates a view that I can't even describe; but it's very wide, and very, very flat.
Edit: I've just tested this for you. If I do not do anything special and look straight ahead, then my FOV is a little bit wider than my 15mm (effectively 22.5mm) on the GXR-M. It seems my natural FOV would be 21mm or so. Maybe because it's so close to my own vision is the reason why I like the 15mm so much. So not everybody "sees" in 50mm...
Told you above I had an extremely wide view But my vision impairment prohibits me from seeing clearly very far off. Therefore I have "seen" many animals in zoos only through my 670mm DSLR setup. Without a 300mm x 1.4xTC x 1.6 crop factor, I wouldn't even have been able to see any of the animals. I've often used my DSLR as a "picture shooting monocular"...
Going by your description, I don't really have a "natural FOV". My left eye is almost blind (7% sight only), so my right eye compensates for everything my left doesn't or can't do. According to doctors, I've got an extreme field of vision in my right eye, much wider than normal, and see "left and right" alternately to be able to see depth, using one eye to see both images normally seen by each eye seperately. I don't know how this works; my brain arranges for this compensation, it's been like this since birth
Depending on how I use my right eye (looking straight forward, looking out of the left or right corner, squinting, closing my left eye, which causes my right to move to the left to compensate), my FOV changes from extremely wide to very narrow. I can even block out all compensations my brain created during my life, which creates a view that I can't even describe; but it's very wide, and very, very flat.
Edit: I've just tested this for you. If I do not do anything special and look straight ahead, then my FOV is a little bit wider than my 15mm (effectively 22.5mm) on the GXR-M. It seems my natural FOV would be 21mm or so. Maybe because it's so close to my own vision is the reason why I like the 15mm so much. So not everybody "sees" in 50mm...
Told you above I had an extremely wide view
But my vision impairment prohibits me from seeing clearly very far off. Therefore I have "seen" many animals in zoos only through my 670mm DSLR setup. Without a 300mm x 1.4xTC x 1.6 crop factor, I wouldn't even have been able to see any of the animals. I've often used my DSLR as a "picture shooting monocular"...
streetshooter
New Member
Kat, I want to respond to this but have just taken my meds. I won't be able to write.
I'll edit and continue tomorrow..
Thanks, good night or whatever.
I'll edit and continue tomorrow..
Thanks, good night or whatever.
streetshooter
New Member
Kat, not sure where to go...
streetshooter
New Member
We were talking about FOV, lenses, visual impairment etc.