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I might also add that the lens of the GR Digital is a little bit hard to clean since the front element lies a little bit recessed and is quite small. Ok, the front element of the GXR A12 module does not seem to be significantly bigger, but there is less to block access to it.

And I have not found the general image quality a big problem even at ISO 400 with the GR Digital. Yes, it does not produce images as clean as an APS-C sensor, but then again, I am doing a lot of B/W photography so that chroma noise is rather negligible. Luminance noise is quite ok I think. I could print images out as big as A4 without noticing noise destroying the print. ISO 800 is also quite usable in a pinch (for me), but then again, with an f/1.9 lens, there are few situations in which you will have to resort to high ISOs (ok, well depends on what you do).

Dynamic range which review sites seem to put a lot of emphasis on did not bother me so far. Before I bought the camera, I was rather obsessed with high dynamic range, but eventually, I stopped caring that much about it. If you shoot raw, even a completely blown sky can turn out rather nice after some recovery adjustments. I wonder how much better the APS-C sensors are if such a small sensor already delivers that much.

If you occasionally use Macro mode, the GRD seems to be the better choice. I could not find any information about the A12 28mm sporting macro.
However, long exposures are better with the bigger sensor. When I want to make a 3 minute exposure with the GRD for example, it automatically takes a dark frame after the exposure to make a dark frame subtraction (which really is necessary with this sensor). The GXR however does not seem to do that automatically with the A12 modules (and may also not need to do so), but I may be mistaken.

I guess it all boils down to better lens vs. better sensor here.
 
Hello Genster! I have the GXR and A12 28. It is an amazingly well corrected lens. I usually shoot RAW and, when I take these images into ACR or Lightroom 3, I rarely if ever find the need for distortion correction. Sometimes I add some just for an exaggerated effect, :) but I think you'll be very happy with the A12 28. The A12 50 is no dog, either. It's incredible! Ken
 
odklizec":987fkgvp said:
There is no doubt that the GXR A12 produces technically better photos. The difference made by the large sensor is quite apparent even under good light. And both A12 modules really shine under the low light. ISO3200 from the A12 is actually better than ISO200-400 from GRD. Much less color noise and noise reduction, which means much more preserved details. In my opinion, the only (but important) GRDIII advantage is smaller body size. OK, another advantage could be f1.9 with DOF like f4/f5.6 from A12 28. This means one needs much smaller ISO to be able to capture a group of people where all of them will be reasonable sharp. You can of course use f2.5 with A12 28mm. The problem is that due to the smaller DOF, it's much harder to take a sharp shot of group of people where none of them is in the same area of sharpness. While with GRDIII you need f1.9 and ISO400, with A12 28mm and f4/f5.6 you may quickly run out of the available ISO values ;) But most of the time (if shooting in reasonably lit rooms) it's not really a problem.

Thanks Pavel!
 
GR_artist":3hmpy13g said:
I might also add that the lens of the GR Digital is a little bit hard to clean since the front element lies a little bit recessed and is quite small. Ok, the front element of the GXR A12 module does not seem to be significantly bigger, but there is less to block access to it.

And I have not found the general image quality a big problem even at ISO 400 with the GR Digital. Yes, it does not produce images as clean as an APS-C sensor, but then again, I am doing a lot of B/W photography so that chroma noise is rather negligible. Luminance noise is quite ok I think. I could print images out as big as A4 without noticing noise destroying the print. ISO 800 is also quite usable in a pinch (for me), but then again, with an f/1.9 lens, there are few situations in which you will have to resort to high ISOs (ok, well depends on what you do).

Dynamic range which review sites seem to put a lot of emphasis on did not bother me so far. Before I bought the camera, I was rather obsessed with high dynamic range, but eventually, I stopped caring that much about it. If you shoot raw, even a completely blown sky can turn out rather nice after some recovery adjustments. I wonder how much better the APS-C sensors are if such a small sensor already delivers that much.

If you occasionally use Macro mode, the GRD seems to be the better choice. I could not find any information about the A12 28mm sporting macro.
However, long exposures are better with the bigger sensor. When I want to make a 3 minute exposure with the GRD for example, it automatically takes a dark frame after the exposure to make a dark frame subtraction (which really is necessary with this sensor). The GXR however does not seem to do that automatically with the A12 modules (and may also not need to do so), but I may be mistaken.

I guess it all boils down to better lens vs. better sensor here.

Thanks for your response GR_artist!
 
Ksnow":2cci5jpa said:
Hello Genster! I have the GXR and A12 28. It is an amazingly well corrected lens. I usually shoot RAW and, when I take these images into ACR or Lightroom 3, I rarely if ever find the need for distortion correction. Sometimes I add some just for an exaggerated effect, :) but I think you'll be very happy with the A12 28. The A12 50 is no dog, either. It's incredible! Ken

Thanks!!!
 
I have been at the camera shop, but the GXR (with A12 28mm) was not on stock :(
They mail me as soon as they have the camera. to be continued…
 
Yes GX100 is very comfortable camera for daily use. But after sometime you will get some problem with picture quality it happeneds many times with me.
 
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