A Brand New Ricoh Camera will come

[t3hh]

What do you mean by 'p&s' camera? As far I'm concerned neither the GXR or GRD4 are p&s. P&s does not equal compact. If you look at the various posts by the GRD/GXR users, program is hardly ever used and scene?? (which are the only p&s modes on these cameras in my mind).

Stupid me, sure GXR is not p&s. But for me GR is all about p&s. Point and shoot. GRD even more so. And thats the good thing, right. So many cameras that are called p&s are not p&s because the shittiest lenses and sensors used. The same goes for camera phones. They just fail in demanding environment. The ultimate p&s will give you decent results in every environment. I can squeeze a decent picture out of my GRD in many situations where some other people would use pro equipment.

I do agree that the programs and scenes and modes are most annoying feature of modern cameras. It is one of the reasons why I have turned from Ricoh to Fuji for my everyday photography. I will not buy any camera with the mode dial ever again.

 

[Blow-in]

What do you mean by 'p&s' camera? As far I'm concerned neither the GXR or GRD4 are p&s. P&s does not equal compact. If you look at the various posts by the GRD/GXR users, program is hardly ever used and scene?? (which are the only p&s modes on these cameras in my mind).

Stupid me, sure GXR is not p&s. But for me GR is all about p&s. Point and shoot. GRD even more so. And thats the good thing, right. So many cameras that are called p&s are not p&s because the shittiest lenses and sensors used. The same goes for camera phones. They just fail in demanding environment. The ultimate p&s will give you decent results in every environment. I can squeeze a decent picture out of my GRD in many situations where some other people would use pro equipment.

I do agree that the programs and scenes and modes are most annoying feature of modern cameras. It is one of the reasons why I have turned from Ricoh to Fuji for my everyday photography. I will not buy any camera with the mode dial ever again.

What I like about the mode dial on the GRD4 is the 3 'my' options in addition to 'PASM'. I have MY1 set-up to allow a quick change between the various image settings (B&W, bleach bypass etc) which I use as a jpg shooter. MY2 is set-up with dynamic range compensation and MY3 is set-up for multi exposure. On the p&s question, I think you can p&s with the GRD4 provided you have set it up correctly in the first place but I wouldn't recommend it to someone who knows or cares nothing about the technocalities of photography and wants something that works straight out of the box. Anyway, no need to argue about semantics, the GRD4 is great bit of kit!

Richard

 

[Tom Caldwell]

My middle name is "Tolstoy" - my parents had great ambitions for me (grin). Meawhile perhaps I should break up my tomes into 100 shorts posts ....

Did I say "p&s" in there somewhere? If I did then I would not have meant it to make the GRD/GXR any lesser respected camera. I once read a post elsewhere in which it was commented (before a Christmas) "come Christmas no doubt we will see a good number of Canon dslr owners running around with their entry level camera and kit zoom lens using it as a point'n'shoot". This said to me that "p&s" was a method of using a camera rather than the camera involved itself. Even a megabuck Leica kit could be used as p&s if so desired, and it probably is in some cases. On the other hand many cheap compact cameras have enough control to allow images to be finessed beyond p&s as much as the host camera will allow.

To buy a GRD or GXR (or a Leica M) and use it as a point'n'shoot is up to the user's own preference but many would consider a serious waste of resources.

Tom "Tolstoy"

 

[Tom Caldwell]

What do you mean by 'p&s' camera? As far I'm concerned neither the GXR or GRD4 are p&s. P&s does not equal compact. If you look at the various posts by the GRD/GXR users, program is hardly ever used and scene?? (which are the only p&s modes on these cameras in my mind).

Stupid me, sure GXR is not p&s. But for me GR is all about p&s. Point and shoot. GRD even more so. And thats the good thing, right. So many cameras that are called p&s are not p&s because the shittiest lenses and sensors used. The same goes for camera phones. They just fail in demanding environment. The ultimate p&s will give you decent results in every environment. I can squeeze a decent picture out of my GRD in many situations where some other people would use pro equipment.

I do agree that the programs and scenes and modes are most annoying feature of modern cameras. It is one of the reasons why I have turned from Ricoh to Fuji for my everyday photography. I will not buy any camera with the mode dial ever again.

I thought that Ricoh had the scene modes hidden away and hardly noticeable in normal use - including video (all cheer for the complete lack of a highly visible big red video button right under one's thumb).

Sony listened to the "video claque" and gave the "easy video" button but the worm turned and the NEX6 now has it in a more awkward spot due to it simply getting in the way of still photography. If there is anything worse than "scene modes" it is "easy video". It seems that those that like scene modes because they are easy also like video a lot, consequently they are apparently noisier than their actual numbers. This is puzzling as only enthusiasts comment on camera sites and enthusiasts want proper control (and mostly) still photography). And you get "easy" cameras more and more - where do they get their focus group feedback from? Camera store owners? Facebook?

Even Canon dslr bodies have scene modes on a mode dial and they certainly "rev up" the idea of a dslr as a videographer's wonder to the point that I now wonder if the pinnacle of still photography (the dslr) is being repositioned as a movie camera.

Tom

 

[t3hh]

Even a megabuck Leica kit could be used as p&s if so desired, and it probably is in some cases. On the other hand many cheap compact cameras have enough control to allow images to be finessed beyond p&s as much as the host camera will allow.

There are two types of photographers in this world my friend. Ones who think that p&s is underscoring and ones who think that making art is underscoring.

 

[pappa]

R: A Brand New Ricoh Camera will come

One of the next features will be probably the phase detection auto focus with the 28mm module.
Maybe there are some new stuffs that are incompatibles with old body.
Anyway I hope new module will be retro compatible with limited available features.
For the new body I hope the hot shoe will be positioned a little bit better above the lens.
I don't think the new grd will get a much bigger sensor... Otherwise there is less sense to produce the 28mm module for the gxr

What I'm expecting for new grd is a better system to protect the lens... With filters and a better cap graft

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