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Silkypix DS 3.x SE Luminous Landscapes

Detail Man

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Speaking of Silkypix ... Here are a couple of landscape shots taken with my Panasonic DMC-FZ50 in "raw" mode that (after several iterations in the course of my Silkypix "learning-curve"), I like, and feel fairly satisfied with. They were processed with the "SE' version (for Panasonic cameras with "raw" recording) that have been released (downloaded from the ISL Software web-site).

The colors (though perhaps a little bit on the intense side) reflect the "memory" of my "minds eye" of these beautiful scenes under the luminous green canopy of my beloved creek here in Seattle (in the Spring, and in the Summer, respectively). No noise reduction tools were used in the processing (only the effects of moderate "False Color Correction" and default "Demosaic Sharp"). Both images were re-sampled to 1024x768 pixel-size using "Lanczos" in XnView, and mild Unsharp Masking was applied (pixel-radius=0.5, strength=100%, threshold=1) to the 1024x768 images prior to conversion to JPG (using no chroma-sub-sampling) in PSP9. They are presented to your browser in "sRGB Color Space". I hope that (perhaps) you may enjoy them ... :p

Both shots were taken (and would very likely not have been possible without) using mono-pod mechanical stabilization, as well as using the FZ50's Optical Image Stabilization (Mode 2).
 

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Wow, it's really beautiful, and so real that I almost hear the sound of water running and bird singing.
By the way, is any camera icc profile needed for accurate Raw conversion ?
Compare to Capture One 5 (Non pro) trial version, Silkypix (Non-pro) has everything, from printing, development parameter
saving etc. under one package. :D
 
Muddy,

I'm always happy to hear when folks like my photos. Thanks!
I hope that it looks OK on your system ... :p

I am no expert, and have no experience with Capture One, Adobe, or Aperture products (perhaps Odklizec may know more than I about some of these things).
The three "raw" processors that I own (Silkypix DS 3.012 SE, Dxo Optics Pro 6.12, and RAWtherapee 2.41) work this way (from what I can see):


Silkypix:

In "Option - Display Setting - Color management" either: "OS Default" (which is whatever color management profile that you have told your OS to utilize, which seems like it should rightly be the color management profile of your monitor/display, as that is the "glasses" that you look through); or "Select ICC/ICM file" (which also seems like it should rightly be the color management profile of your monitor/display, as that is the "glasses" that you look through).

In "Option - Default parameter setting": A number of different color schemes (including "Silkypix Default", which is the default setting).

(For the color-space of the output TIF or JPG generated), in "Option - Setting for developed image - Development policy" allows the user to select either: "Specified color space in parameter"; "sRGB"; or "Adobe RGB Colorspace" for the output-image color space.


Dxo Optics Pro:

In "Edit - Preferences - Display - "Customize" Tab - ICC profile used for display" either: "Current profile of the display device"; "Generic Profile (sRGB); or "Adobe Profile (Adobe RGB).

(In the case where your camera/lens combination has a DxO Module available for it for the purposes of "raw" processing), in "Customize - Color Rendering - Camera, Film, ICC Profile:" either: "Default Settings (RAW:factory, RGB:Body)"; "Camera Body" (the in-camera JPG color profile, or any selection from a long list of the in-camera JPG color profiles of a number of popular DSLRs made by several different camera makers); "Color positive films" (five different popular film looks); or "ICC Profile (where you can import any ICC color space profile file that you like).

(For the color-space of the output of the Linear DNG, TIF, or JPG generated), in "Process - Default Ouput - Advanced Options" either: "Original" (as specified above, I think); "sRGB"; AdobeRGB"; or "Custom" (where you can import any ICC color space profile file that you like).


In RAWtherapee:

In "Colour - ICM": The Input profile (including yor camera default), Working Profile, and Output Profile can all be individually specified. The default (in the "Working" and "Output" sections) is "sRGB".


I just remembered that you are a Mac User ... :cry: Perhaps you (might) also have a PC?

RAWtherapee is (and will likely remain) Windows only.

There is a 5.x version of DxO Optics Pro, with a 6.x version for Macs slated to be released by April 2010. The 5.x version is reputed to have been buggy (though they have patched things for a good while). There is a 30-day trial of the Mac 5.x version available, and you can upgrade to 6.x for free when it comes out if you purchase it.
 
DM,

Lovely shots, I rather like the intensity on the colours, so many shades of green.

Can I ask what shutter speed you used?

David
 
I'm not sure which one I like better, they're both nice. Would this be in the Green River area of Seattle?
 
I have been pretty tough on Silkypix as a "raw" processor at times. For a camera/lens combination supported by DxO Optics Pro - particularly in the case of the supported 1/1.7 Inch image-sensor compacts such as the Panasonic DMC-LX3 (and likely the Canon G10/G11/S90) that have small lens-systems having more optical distortions/aberrations than larger and higher quality lens-systems, I find DxO (with it's comprehensive automatic optical corrections - particularly the wonderful and unique "Lens Softness" correction that uses deconvolution deblurring to deliver excellent image-detail) to be a better alternative. I have also (on another internet forum) pointed out what appear to be some troubling low-level processing noise/artifacts present in all versions of Silkypix when either high ISO Sensitivity (or simply low signal/noise ratio) "raw" image-files are processed. Silkypix appears to be capable of reproducing more (potentially desirable) "signal" at lower tone-levels than DxO Optics Pro, but it appears that these differences may (also) carry with them related consequences of increased levels of low-level processing noise/artifacts. Thus, Silkypix appears to perform at it's best when "raw" image-files recorded by cameras with higher dynamic-ranges (and closely related higher signal/noise ratios). All things have their strong points.

However, (since DxO does not, and never will, support Panasonic DMC-FZ50 RAW image-files), I have been trying my hand at processing the above posted two DMC-FZ50 RAW shots with various alternatives that do support the DMC-FZ50 RAW image-files.

First, some freeware options. Raw Therapee 2.41 crashes all the time on my particular PC system, so it is (unfortunately) not a possibility for me. I have found UFRaw 0.17 (a plug-in for GIMP) to be fairly good with processing certain DMC-FZ50 images (of things like urban scenes and architecture), but falling short where it comes the above posted two landscape nature shots (which a representative of the kind of images that I seek to use my DMC-FZ50 to photograph). And, UFRaw (like many applications) requires that various elements of the processing be addressed in separate adjustment interfaces that cannot be simultaneously activated.

In my loss-less post-processing of JPG image-files (using PaintShop Pro 9.01), I was able to develop a systematic approach of applying successive adjustment interfaces (Brightness, Color adjustment using RGB histogram stretching and Saturation, Highlight/Midtone/Shadow adjustment, followed by re-sampling to the final pixel-size, and Unsharp Masking). However, I find that this "one adjustment at a time" approach really does not seem to work well when processing "raw" image-files. A user-interface that allows for multiple adjustments to be made on "raw" image-files (without having to switch back and forth between individual adjustment interfaces), where the composite result upon the processed image of those (simultaneous and interacting) adjustment-settings can be more easily viewed evaluated is a very big plus, indeed. Both DxO Optics Pro and Silkypix offer this capability (as I suspect other moderate/higher priced "raw" processors very likely, or at least ought to, do).

I have never used Lightroom (or other "raw" processing applications), so I am no position to comment on their assets/liabilities. Please feel free to comment on their relative merits ... :p

Trying out two low-cost 16-bit software applications that support "raw" processing (Artizen 2.86 and Sagelight 3.102), I am driven crazy by both programs "one user-adjustment interface at a time" functionality. It seems (to me) to be a user-interface approach for masochists only! Sagelight goes even farther - by seeming (thanks to it's developer's personalized "recipe") to require that I adjust the Gamma correction first (not at all something that I want to do!). Only then was I allowed to proceed to a subsequent "one user-adjustment interface at a time" functionality. If these applications are (perhaps) able to achieve desirable results in their "raw" processing, I do not have the patience to painstakingly search for it - having been spoiled by better user-interfaces.

In revisiting Silkypix (the 3.104 SE Version for Panasonic only, and Pro 4.x), there are a number of good things that I do like about their interfaces. Where it comes to processing DMC-LX3 RW2 image-files, their image-quality of their output falls short of DxO Optics Pro (due in no small part to DxO's comprehensive automatic optical corrections, deconvolution deblurring Sharpening, and superior Noise Reduction technology). However, in the case of the significantly higher quality DMC-FZ50 Leica lens-system, the DxO optical corrections are less necessary. Where it comes to Noise Reduction, I am resigned to limit the ISO Sensitivity of the DMC-FZ50 in RAW mode to a modest level of 200 anyway (which allows for adequate NR in Silkypix by using the "False Color Correction" control only, without using the other NR tools). (In fairness), I have yet to try Silkypix Pro's allegedly enhanced abilities to (in part) separate chrominance and luminance noise reduction functions. Perhaps some improvement has been made? I will be evaluating that possibility. It would be truly wonderful if I could record DMC-FZ50 RAWs at ISO=400 ... but I am not holding my breath on that one. The signal/noise ratio of the DMC-FZ50's 1/1.7 Inch image-sensor appears to be on the order of up to 1.0 EV (or "stop") worse than the more recently manufactured DMC-LX3 (and other) image-sensors of the same approximate physical size. As I am such a stickler for retaining fine image-details, it may be that the Silkypix Pro Noise Reduction tool-set will not be able to tame the DMC-FZ50 at ISO=400. However, I am open to being pleasantly surprised, and will report further if it is the case that the Silkypix Pro Noise Reduction tools represent significant improvement.

While I have not (yet, at least) realized significant performance improvements in Silkypix Pro 4.x relative to Silkypix 3.x SE (when using the user-controls that are common to both versions), there are some welcome improvements in the user-interface. I particularly like Pro version's improved Tone-Curve tool, and it's ability to display the resultant net effect of the Contrast control settings upon the composite tone-curve! Despite some of my frustrations with Silkypix color-rendering of Green-ish hues (and the necessity to utilize "Fine Color Controller" fairly extensively in order to try to realize the kind of color that I am looking for), and despite the limitations of Silkypix Sharpening tools (relative to DxO Optics Pro's "Lens Softness", which has spoiled me for all eternity), I feel some responsibility to "give credit where credit is due" to the well-developed, friendly, and useful Silkypix user-interface in general relative to (at least some) of the alternatives.
 
Detail Man":393g6ebb said:
DxO (with it's comprehensive automatic optical corrections - particularly the wonderful and unique "Lens Softness" correction that uses deconvolution deblurring to deliver excellent image-detail)........... relative to DxO Optics Pro's "Lens Softness", which has spoiled me for all eternity

ouch... I took one raw file (shot made by my wife w/ LX3 in the worst case scenario : 24mm eq FOV + f2.0, etc as she just knows how to press the shutter button) and went after the subject near the edge of the frame...

here is DxO without its "comprehensive automatic optical corrections" (so called "No Correction" preset) :



here is DxO with its "comprehensive automatic optical corrections" (so called "DxO Default v2" preset) :



DxO v6.2

ugly, isn't it ?

oh... here is ACR 6.1 by default



well, certainly if we will reduce the size of the picture to show it to the public then DxO will not be that ugly... but @ 100%, its "comprehensive automatic optical corrections" are way too comprehensive :roll: ... but probably that was the point - not be pixel peeped @ 100% ? what do we think ?
 
deejjjaaaa":3l32qj96 said:
Detail Man":3l32qj96 said:
1/1.7 Inch image-sensor compacts such as the Panasonic DMC-LX3.
1/1.63
I know that. Since it appears that all of the other camera models with image-sensors of (approximately) that size are slightly smaller (equal to or smaller than 1/1.7 Inch), I just figured that the readers would not know or care about an approximately 4 -5 percent difference. It's nice to you know that you care so much ...

Since you have previously verbally whipped me on the internet with statements like:
"seriously, why play the ape with all that garbage like 'will herein brave the possibility of allegations' ? can't you just use a plain English and refrain from such unneccesary excercises in inflating your posts ?"
-deejjjaaaa, April 14, 2010


... it's rather hard to know whether you prefer less details, or you prefer more details in my internet posts. When you make up your mind, let me know by leaving me alone. Thanks.

deejjjaaaa":3l32qj96 said:
what do we think ?
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1556&start=120#p21407

"... I certainly wish to have extra corrections that DxO might provide by profiling camera/lens combos ..."
-deejjjaaaa (March 23, 2010, 8:12 PM)
 
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